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Well done USA!

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Congratulations on voting in a new President, at last!

Just getting very fed up with all the comments about he's the first Black President of the USA.

Hello, he had a White mother, so he's not a true Black President!

Also, the USA has a habit of bumping off it's Presidents, and everyone here is comparing him to JFK, and we all know what happened to him.

He says Change, but will the American underground "democracy" allow him to do it. I see too many vested interests in keeping the staus quo, two nice wars, are good little earners for the fat cats, just like Vietnam was in JFK's time. :wink:

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Nice comments, Gibbo.

As an American, I think we have a good man for a leader. His victory speech was notable for recognizing his irascible opponent, John McCain, as a dedicated public servant, and for remarking frankly he still has the challenge of winning over those who didn't vote for him (63 million vs. 59 million for McCain at last count--which means a lot of people wanted the other guy).

Obama knows how to use the "Bully pulpit" available to the president, as President Teddy Roosevelt called it. He has some of the charisma of John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton as a young and vigorious man, and the ability to reach his audience in the same way that Franklin D. Roosevelt and Winston Churchill did. That promises the ability to get things done.
And, I might add, a charisma and speaking ability that John Kerry and Al Gore did not have in their election races. Though Mr. Gore has atoned rather well for that.

As for race, yes. It's irritating to see it plastered on TV commentators' faces everywhere now that the election is over. Race was carefully tip-toed around during the campaigns by most candidates, even if there was plenty of awareness of it and leftover racial hatreds in the racially-sensitive Southern states where McCain got majorities. Now it's open season on the topic.

True that Obama is only half-black--and thus half-white. Perhaps this makes his achievement even more remarkable. Most cultures shun those of mixed race. In the U.S. 'melting pot', a majority just didn't care either way. He looked and acted good enough. Perhaps his mix joined cultural themes--and not just symbolically.

It is historic in the sense that that it shows a kind of racial equality is here at last in the U.S., as the Rev. Martin Luther King and so many others fought for and did not live to see. Not totally Black, nonetheless the tears on the faces of old Black warriors like the Rev. Jesse Jackson and other decendants of slaves showed they were deeply touched. It's an uneasy equality, a politically correct flip-flop of old attitudes. But Obama's election speaks volumes.

In my opinion, Obama really was judged on who he was-- and said he was. He proved to be master organizer and campaigner who managed to conquer the expected Democratic nominee, Hlliary Clinton, and beat the organized Washington D.C. election shapers with a populist call for change, and a young voters fund-raising approach especially on the Internet. He was a cool, steady candidate compared to McCain.

Gibbo's reminder of what happened to JFK is chilling. That would be a disaster for the United States' newly- rediscovered hopes and attitudes, just as Kennedy's death was. The turmoil would be extreme. The results revolting.

Left-leaning writer and popular speaker Naomi Klein ("The Shock Doctrine") called Obama a "Centrist", and a tough one. He's been careful not to scare the 'vested interests' too much and even look like one of them in his staff picks so far.
The vested interests have gotten themselves in boiling hot water in any case.
From what I've seen, he's not as radical as some feared, nor likely to favor a racial group. A mix of backgrounds and levels of American society with strong intellectual powers. Some real change may happen.

Certainly I hope an Obama Administration should be an improvement over the Bush Administration and what it did to this nation over the last 8 years.
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Hi Wuddy.

It's just as your countries history goes, just about on average, every third President in US history, has been assassinated.

They almost got Ronny Ray gun, as he was known here, and you have the added jeopardy of the Clan, who for sure won't be happy, not to mention all the self interest groups, and others who won't be happy with some of his reforms.

How a country like the USA, lets organizations like them even exist is a mystery to me, in this day and age.

There are already two people charged with trying to kill Obama. It just seems to me, the guy is going to have a very big target on his back, for the rest of his life.
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Sadly, you are right.
It takes great courage to make yourself a target for assassins.

Even if you know your work is important and historical, you must expect that someone will take offense and vent their anger on you without thought to the harm they will cause.
We can only wish the new president will safely survive and help this nation meet the problems and challenges in front of it.
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We are lucky here, as guns are not an issue, and thank god it's only a few criminals who have them, and the Police. When we get pissed off with our PM, the worst he gets is flower bombed, or an egg or two!

I can't imagine what it's like to live in a country which has more guns than people. I suppose I would get one, and learn how to be bloody good with it. My only hand on experience with a gun is with an old bolt action .303, when I was a youngster, in the Army Cadets, nearly 40 years ago! :lol:
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Wudy,
Try living in Detroit under the administration that has given us the worst economy in the nation. "In five years you will be blown away" with how poor you are!

Blame the loss of revenue on what ever you want, but the end result is socal programs are not dropped while the money to fund them dries up. The results are higher taxes on bussiness and a loss of jobs, resulting in even more loss of state revenue.

Obama stated the economy starts from the bottom up. That is a lie. When was the last time a poor person had a dime to give?

Simple greed caused the problem we have now, but arguing that what is best for me and my neighbors is deamed a nazism. The American public are sheep. They will believe what ever they think will make there life easier. Your country (Mine starts and ends at the driveway of my childhood home) is pathetic in they way they foster dependancy on society.

My moto, if your not happy, get off your ass and do something about it. Noone will do it for you, and if they offer they are trying to get more from you in return then it is worth.
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From Brit44:
if your not happy, get off your ass and do something about it

Good motto, Allen, as I see you said at SimHQ as well.

More than a million new voters came to the U.S. polls for this election.
They did something--something remarkable. Given a chance within their abilities, people will do something. They just don't always know how.
There are rams among the sheep who will butt the shepherds leading them the wrong way, though.
It takes guts and knowledge to go off in new directions, as people (like yourself and others) are doing. New directions mean new hope.
Endless bad-tempered attacks of griping and bitching about the "other guy" doesn't win elections-- or help somebody else do something about problems, either, I must add as a side note to recent events.
So I also like the saying that goes:
"Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way."
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How many suits does Obama have in his closet?


Seven.....................


All empty.









We're in for a rough 4 years.
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If all else fails, punt. Or, RUN AWAY!!!
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Bush 2 was an arogent bastadige.
Obama is an inexperianced tool of his party.
The world has not changed since before the Roman Empire because the human animal is what it is.

Don't be quiet, but think about your opinion and post it for the world to see.

If your happy, don't worry ;) just don't bitch if it doesn't go your way.

;) the worst you can be is an "aldo" while you learn to artculate your opinion.

Wudy, your alright. We may not always agree, but you are honest.

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If only the president-elect's supporters would have thought for themselves instead of believing the media's line.

The guy who lost was the epitome of the phrase "lead, follow or get out of the way".

I'm not comfortable with leaving my country's future to a hope that things get better.I would have liked a president that had a track record of leadership rather than a broken record of "change".

But we can set things straight again . It's very reminiscent of Jimmy Carter back in the 70's.
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One of the good things about the U.S. election was the long campaign. Even if it bored most of us to changing the TV channel.
It gave us a chance to take a long, lingering look at the candidates.
It was so exhausting over a year and a half, it was a test in itself, to see who held up the longest with the mostest.

Just in case folk here think they've nailed my bias in favor of Obama, I have to agree with Ray Otton that more experience might have eased my concerns.
Like Jack Kennedy, he had the minimum. But anyone that can rise from nobody in Chicago politics has to be one smart and tough S.O.B. The home of the Daley machine isn't kind to dummies.
You can only get so much political experience and still be as young as he is.
And, like I said, the long campaign proved Barak O. had the cool determination to get through a little rough handling and throat slicing by the press and opponents alike. To say nothing about being able to raise tons of money--the Mother's Milk of Politics.

Poor John McCain was all over the place looking to land a "Rocky" knockout blow instead of sticking with his own principles. Let's hope he got bad advice and didn't believe all that crap. Not comforting in a proposed president.

Some good men (and good women) just didn't make the cut in this lengthy trial. Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico was a good level-headed guy I thought would be a decent Prez. But he didn't have the organizing ability, the money, or backing of a lot of sharp support team members. No charisma, in other words.

Ditto for Mike Huckabee of the Republicans. Another sharp, level-headed guy with no backing. But he would have given Obama a run for the money given the chance.
Forgive my maleness, but Hilliary Clinton just never twanged my guitar. Experience she had.
On the other hand, Sarah Palin was terrific. Too bad she just didn't know very much--but I'll bet she learns a lot in the next four years.
Now, there's a scary case of needing experience, Ray.

You know, Allen, I agree from the gitgo that George W. Bush was an arrogant (and probably ignorant) man who misled us into an unjust war. I sure as hell hope he didn't know what he was doing, because we're stuck now.
His team was worse. They stuck us with bad policies on war conduct and torture of prisoners, on spending us from surplus into bankruptcy with the military/industrial complex, on political appointments that couldn't respond to a real emergency like Hurricane Katrina, on letting the financial industry strip the public down to its shorts on housing and go wild in other ways, and generally screwing up a good country. Luckily, he lost on getting Social Security tied to the stock market.
You can't fool everyone all of the time, George. But you can always fool yourself.

Lately, though, he sounds like he really cares. Treasury Secretary Henry Poulson may have led us into Fascism with government buy-ins and bailouts for the financial and stock industry (a kind of Socialist Welfare for the Rich). But at least it's a quick response that includes other nations finances and their concerns. And it might work.
So I have a little sympathy for him, if not approval of his Administration.

Looking toward the future-------
We could sure use some of the British Parliamentary traditions here in the U.S. Like frequent "Question Time" sessions between the Prez and Congress.
We could also use a "No Confidence" vote, rather than having to try the Prez for "high crimes and misdemeanors" to get rid of him-- or her.
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Fair enough, Woody.

I do wish the President well because it will be good for the country.

In defense of Sarah, she has as much experience as Obama but she was running for VP. HHMMMM, could the left wing media have influenced the impression of her?

I actually could have supported Richardson, BTW, I'm not a rabid Republican.

OTOH, I could never vote for Hillary simply based on what the Clintons did upon leaving the White House. they still havent; returned a lot of the, Ahem, items.

As far as asking questions of this administration, just look what happened to "Joe the Plumber" when he questioned Obama's tax plan. The new administration will not be any more open then the Bush administration. Look at the chief of staff pick.

Oh and two last things:

Hopefully without invoking the fates here, we haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11.

And the surge worked.

Why are those two amazing facts overlooked by mainstream media? ( Rhetorical question - we know why.)

Best of luck to all of us, we're going to need it.
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HHMMMM, could the left wing media have influenced the impression of her?


She give herself by her spokes this impression of her
Powell was the best ticket for McCain to avoid or reduce the debacle.
Sure Palin was "imposed" to McCain by the extreme right wing of the Republicans.


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Post by rotton50 »

No debacle, please, he lost by about 5%. That means almost half the country voted for him.

Lately it seems that in each election the winners declare a landslide and that the results are a mandate for the winning party to put in all their policies.

Neither side can claim to be an astute student of history. Every time this happens the other side comes back from the dead.

And again, what you read in the media is slanted left. If you do some independent research you find that Palin was no right wing nut. Certainly not as "right" as Oboma is "left".
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