EAW WW1 - ground objects

[Moggy]

Having now looked through the original twf ground object setup, I can say it was based on the original Dunkirk ground object setup. There are some differences, it has a German 1WW tank for example, and the 1WW temporary hangers.

The list is restricted to the old EAW default of 72 slots, so with 1.6 having a max of 1,000 objects, there is plenty of scope for new objects.

Ray - amongst the stull you have done for SPAW etc is there anything we can use in 1WW?

Definite priority in the new setup is to produce a British 1WW tank.

Then we need set dressing for the actual front tiles such as blasted trees, damaged trenches, damaged artillery etc

Col Gibbon made some fairly decent barbed wire, which I have set up in my Iraq scenario. There is also an Ottoman train set Gibbon made, which we can use.

The other mobile vehicles need a 1WW makeover.

I'm working through what I have in Iraq etc.

[EdLaz]

BRITISH ARMOURED & ARMED VEHICLES OF WW1 — COMPLETE LIST

TANKS

• Little Willie

• Mother (prototype of the Mark I)

• Mark I (Male / Female)

• Mark II

• Mark III

• Mark IV (Male / Female)

• Mark V

• Mark VI (prototype)

• Mark VII (prototype)

• Mark VIII "Liberty"

• Medium Mark A "Whippet"

• Medium Mark B

• Medium Mark C "Hornet"

• Gun Carrier Mark I

ARMOURED CARS

• Armstrong-Whitworth Armoured Car

• Austin Armoured Car (Series 1, 2, 3)

• Austin-Putilov (used by allies under British supply)

• Rolls-Royce Armoured Car (1914 pattern)

• Lanchester Armoured Car

• Talbot Armoured Car

• Seabrook Armoured Lorry

• Pierce-Arrow Armoured Lorry

• Wolseley Armoured Car

• De Dion-Bouton Armoured Car

• DeLaunay-Belleville Armoured Car

• Ford 1916 Armoured Car

• Garford Armoured Car

• Sheffield-Simplex Armoured Car

• Armoured Autocar (Canadian, under British command)

ARMOURED LORRIES & HEAVY SUPPORT VEHICLES

• Seabrook Armoured Lorry (3-ton)

• Pierce-Arrow Armoured Lorry (3-pdr gun)

• Leyland Armoured Lorry

• Thornycroft J-Type Armoured Lorry

• Dennis 3-ton Armoured Lorry

• Wolseley Armoured Lorry

• Sheffield-Simplex Heavy Armoured Lorry

ANTI-AIRCRAFT ARMOURED / ARMED VEHICLES

• Peerless AA Lorry (13-pdr)

• Thornycroft AA Lorry (13-pdr / 3-inch)

• Leyland AA Lorry

• AEC AA Lorry

ARTILLERY TRACTORS (GUN TOWING)

• Holt 75 Tractor

• Holt 45 Tractor

• Foster-Daimler Tractor

• Clayton Tractor

• British Experimental Gun Tractor

SPECIALISED ARMOURED SUPPORT VEHICLES

• Gun Carrier Mark I (self-propelled artillery carrier)

• Gun Carrier Mark II (prototype)

• Pedrail Machine (tracked supply carrier prototype)

• Pedrail Tractor

• Armoured Workshop Lorries (various makes)

• Armoured Signal Lorries (Rolls-Royce, Talbot, etc.)

ARMOURED AMBULANCES

• Rolls-Royce Armoured Ambulance

• Talbot Armoured Ambulance

• Ford Model T Ambulance (field-armoured variants)

MOTORCYCLES WITH WEAPONS

• Triumph Model H with Lewis-gun sidecar

• Douglas 2 3/4 HP with armed sidecar

• Clyno Motorcycle Combination (Machine Gun Corps)

ARMOURED TRAINS

• British Armoured Train No. 1

• British Armoured Train No. 2

[rotton50]

Yes there are some TMODs that would work from SPAW, but I think you're search would be more fruitful in EAW2015 since it's set in Europe.

From memory in EAW2015:

Trucks

Horse drawn wagon

Antique car.

Supply, ammo and fuel dumps would probably look OK.

Cannons, especially the one with spoked wheels.

Train stations, especially the French one, look very early 20th century.

Maybe some of the train cars, probably not the engines although Col. Gibbons had an old fashioned looking engine so maybe that would work.

Factory buildings.

Hospital.

Tents.

There's a fox hole/machine gun nest that would work.

Hangars.

Heck, it might be easier ruling out things like radar and radio towers, tanks, armored cars and ships.

[Moggy]

Thanks Edlaz. Have you got a similar list for Germany?

Ray - I will continue to look through the European setups to see what can be used/adapted.

Some of the stuff done for Iraq will do nicely - the Rolls Royce and other armoured cars for example. They were still using 1WW stuff there.

[EdLaz]

German Military Vehicles (World War I 1914–1918)

Tanks

• []A7V Sturmpanzerwagen
  []A7V-U Sturmpanzerwagen
  []Leichter Kampfwagen I (LK I)
  []Leichter Kampfwagen II (LK II)
  []K-Wagen (Großkampfwagen) – incomplete prototype
  []Oberschlesien Sturmpanzerwagen

Beutepanzer (Captured Tanks Used by Germany)

• []Beutepanzer Mark I
  []Beutepanzer Mark II
  []Beutepanzer Mark IV
  []Beutepanzer Medium Mark A "Whippet"

Armoured Cars

• []Büssing A5P Armoured Car
  []Ehrhardt E-V/4 Armoured Car
• Daimler M1915 Armoured Car

Motorized Anti-Aircraft Vehicles (Flakwagens)

• []Ehrhardt Kraftwagen-Flugabwehrkanone
  []K-Flakwagen (Truck with 3.7 cm Flak)
  []Daimler Anti-Aircraft Gun Truck
  []Büssing Anti-Aircraft Gun Truck
• Mannesmann-Mulag Flakwagen

Special Vehicles

• A7V Flakpanzer

Artillery Tractors

• []Holt Caterpillar Tractor (Holt 75)
  []Daimler Artillery Tractor
  []Benz Artillery Tractor
  []Krupp Artillery Tractor

Motorized Military Ambulances (Kraftwagen-Krankenwagen)

• []Adler 12/30 PS Ambulance
  []Adler 18/45 PS Ambulance
  []Benz 8/20 PS Ambulance
  []Benz 10/30 PS Ambulance
  []Daimler 16/40 PS Ambulance
  []Daimler 21/50 PS Ambulance
  []NAG Type B2 Ambulance
  []NAG Type C3 Ambulance
  []Opel 8/22 PS Ambulance
  []Opel 9/25 PS Ambulance

Military Motorcycles Used by the German Army

• []NSU 3½ PS Military Motorcycle
  []Wanderer 3 PS Military Motorcycle
  []Triumph 3½ PS Military Motorcycle
  []Opel 2½ PS Military Motorcycle

Armoured Trains

• []Panzerzug No. 1
  []Panzerzug No. 2
  []Panzerzug No. 3
  []Panzerzug No. 4
• Panzerzug No. 5

[rotton50]

My two cents.

I wouldn't worry too much about the finer details of smaller ground objects like vehicles. You can't really see a lot when you're on your attack run. In fact, if you are admiring the ground model there's a distinct possibility you're going to get shot down.

Bigger models are a different story. For example, the ships in SPAW have a lot more detail than the airfield control tower.

[Moggy]

I will approach the ground objects in groups i.e. for Airfields, for cities, for villages, for the front line, moving vehicles etc.

Almost all frontline airfields are going to be quite simple. A more or less rectangular field, a few of the French temporary hangars, maybe one wooden hangar in some places, a farm house, manor house or chateau to house the officers, a number of tents for the other ranks, , a fuel store and ammo dump.

Airfields in England and main French airbases are a bit more complex especially later in the war with repair hangars, bomb stores, generator houses, workshops etc.

French main airbase:





German airfield; note wooden slatted runway:



German tents:

[rotton50]

You might be able to lift the EAW2015 airfields in their entirety and just delete the radio towers and maybe a few other TMOD's that don't fit time wise.

I imagine a number of them even have the same names, though probably more of the British ones than the German ones.

It would save a lot of time.

[Moggy]

Yes, we need to do this as simply as possible. For the frontline airfields we can probably adapt the default "green field" setup, substitute hangars, swap buildings and barracks for tents.

[EdLaz]

Antiaircraft Weapons

At the beginning of World War I, antiaircraft (AA) weapons were scarce because aircraft were few and mainly used for reconnaissance; France had a few armored cars with 75 mm guns, Britain had some motorized 3-inch guns, and Germany was the most advanced with several 77 mm guns. As the war progressed and aircraft began performing bombing, artillery spotting, and ground attack missions, AA weapons became more important. All countries used machine guns for air defense, but they were only effective below about 1,000 meters and were inaccurate. Germany led the development of AA artillery, mainly using 77 mm guns and later introducing an 88 mm gun in 1917 with higher muzzle velocity, which improved response time and effectiveness. Germany also used many captured artillery pieces from Russia, Belgium, and France, resulting in a wide variety of guns and calibers. France mainly relied on the 75 mm gun, while Britain developed several types of AA guns, with the 3-inch 20-cwt gun being the most common. Effective air defense also required technologies such as timed fuzes, different shell types (fragmentation, high-explosive, and incendiary), searchlights to detect aircraft at night, sound detectors to warn of incoming planes, tethered balloons to disrupt attacks, and optical fire-control devices to improve aiming. These improvements increased efficiency, reducing the number of shells Germany needed to shoot down an aircraft from about 11,500 in 1914 to around 5,040 in 1918. By the end of the war, Germany had the largest air defense system with nearly 2,800 AA guns and hundreds of searchlights, and it shot down 1,588 aircraft, compared with about 500 by France, 341 by the British Expeditionary Force, about 150 by Italy, and 58 by the United States.

Examples

Germany

• Maschinengewehr 08

• French Canon de 75 model 1897 field guns, captured and modified by German forces for anti-aircraft use and put into service as the 7.7 cm FlaK L/35

• 8,8-cm-K-Zugflak L/45

[Moggy]

Thanks Ed, will try and get some of these AA guns modelled.